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Post by ^^Rosci^^ on Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:42 am

Reported by KARYL WALKER, Observer staff reporter
Tuesday, March 11, 2008


Regular cops lose M16s
Police to get less powerful guns....................

POLICE Commissioner Rear Admiral Hardley Lewin yesterday announced that the American-made M16 assault rifles, currently being used by cops on operational duties, will be replaced by the less powerful MP5 submachine guns.

The police chief said the phase-out of the M16 for regular police operations was part of efforts to curtail the use of deadly force within the constabulary. It comes less than a week after an 11-month-old infant was shot dead, allegedly by a bullet fired by a special constable chasing an illegal taxi operator on March Pen Road, St Catherine.

Lewin, who made the announcement at a media briefing at the Police Officers' Club in St Andrew, said only members of the Mobile Reserve - the special squad formed to deal with civil unrest or national emergencies - would be allowed to continue using M16 rifles.

"This is an effort to reduce the possibility of collateral damage because of the high-powered nature of the M16," Lewin said.
The M16 rifle is made by Colt and uses 5.56 mm bullets, while the German-designed MP5 uses smaller 9mm rounds and is made by Heckler and Koch.

It was not clear what was the timeframe for the phase-out of the M16s, but the decision is likely to come under fire from the rank-and-file within the constabulary, who have often complained that the guns-for-drugs trade operating between Jamaica and Haiti was providing local criminals with more sophisticated weapons than those being used by the police.
Some officers even complained that they were at a disadvantage when they confront well-armed criminals in gunbattles.

Yesterday, Lewin, the retired head of the Jamaica Defence Force, urged cops to exercise good judgment when in such situations.

"An officer must know how to protect himself; if the criminal has the advantage, then you retreat and go for him another day," Lewin told the Observer after the press conference.

In addition to the less powerful guns, some officers have been issued with non-lethal mace - tear gas in an aerosol can - as part of the force's human rights and use of force policy.

"The force will be seeking to acquire other options to present our officers with other options when they contemplate the use of force," Lewin told reporters.

The police chief said, too, that a drive was underway to recertify and retrain every officer enlisted in the force and to implement regular firearms training for them.

Yesterday, Lewin apologised to the parents and relatives of the child who was shot dead by the special constable and whose killing sparked a massive demonstration by residents of the community.

The implicated cop has since been suspended from the force while his colleagues who were on traffic duty with him have been removed from the front-line, Lewin said yesterday.

"It is a most unfortunate and tragic incident. We feel your grief and pain at this time," Lewin said. "Indeed, I was angry when the news was communicated to me."

The commissioner also announced that 10 of his officers were receiving martial arts and unarmed combat training and that more were in line to be trained.

A review of the training given to new recruits and a renewed vigour towards community policing was also announced by the police commissioner.


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Re: POLICE LOSE M16!!!!!!!!

Post by djvenom on Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:28 pm

GOOD MOVE BUT THE MP5 IS STILL HIGH POWER, HERES A LOOK AT IT
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Post by ^^Rosci^^ on Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:46 pm

TAKEN FROM WIKIPEDIA

The MP5 is a 9 mm submachine gun of German design, developed in the 1960s by a group of engineers from the West German arms manufacturer Heckler & Koch GmbH (HK). The company, motivated by the success of the G3 rifle developed a group of small arms consisting of four types of firearms (all based on the G3 design layout), where the first type was chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO, the second Ц using the 7.62x39mm M43 round, third Ц the intermediate 5.56x45mm NATO caliber and the fourth type Ц chambering the 9x19mm Parabellum pistol cartridge. The MP5 (short for Maschinenpistole 5) was created within the fourth group of firearms, initially known as the HK54.

Work on the MP5 began in 1964 and scarcely two years later it was adopted by the German Federal Police and army special forces. It is currently used by the armed forces and law enforcement units of over 40 different countries. The submachine guns are manufactured under license in several countries including: Greece (Hellenic Arms Industry), Iran (Defense Industries Organization), Mexico, Pakistan (Pakistan Ordnance Factories), Sudan (Military Industry Corporation), Turkey (MKE) and the United Kingdom (initially at Royal Ordnance, later diverted to Heckler & Koch Great Britain).
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Post by djvenom on Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:23 pm

i dont see why even traffic cop got a m16, i can understand going on an operation but stopping a man for speeding with a m16 is just ridiculous.what happen to the good old 9mm
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Post by ^^Rosci^^ on Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:30 pm

here it comess.................
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Post by dBosS on Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:37 pm

long time it fi happen a jus now sum 1 see it? cho......good someone finally notice and take action tho......commissioner a work ! I want dem hold the the officer in charge of his/her police station responsible for any mis killing a police do from his station next..too much damn foolishness a gwaan from wen!!

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Post by prostyle on Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:09 pm

i dont agree with this decision. nuh care wa nuhbody waa say. the police are just being put at a disadvantage. is the same way them tek wey slr from the soldiers. is wa Hardley Lewin up to. gun man a buss AK and "police fi retreat till another day" wat a joke thing. they will always be retreating then. what they need to do is train the police better. other countries are using higher calibre guns and rifles and dont have any problems..it all comes back to proper training
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Post by djvenom on Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:08 am

prostyle i disagree , the reserve team will still carry the m16, this is the team u send for when u confronting men wid ak47. u nuh need traffic andd regular road patrol carrying m16 which can go through 5 man if fired in a crowded area. daily police should only carry assault rifle in the trunk of there car like other country and used only when necessary. why we should have police in the mall wid long gun makes no sense, they cant fire it in there anyway
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Post by ^^Rosci^^ on Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:11 am

I totally agree with VENOM, the reason why we have been hearing "and the police returned fire and men found dead", is a result of the heavy weapon they had. I am not saying they are not at a disadvantage, but with the 9mm them better utilize the training they received at camp and act smart.
This move by the commissioner will also reduce the number of police killings as i believe that bullets will be easier to trace, than before since only a specific set of law enforcers will be carrying high powered weapons.
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Post by ^^Rosci^^ on Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:15 am

And yes i agree with the commissioner, the police should retreat and come back with better tack-ticks in order to catch criminals and stop with the whole western cowboy style of doing it. How must the police be better than a criminal if them shooting at speeding motor vehicle and killing innocents?
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